After reading the afterellen 5x07 recap online, I understand a little bit better where paily shippers are coming from. But, the one thing I still can’t get over is HOW PAIGE DROWNED EMILY. Like for real, she just attempted to murder the person she loved. How is everything she does now all of…
Alright. I’m stepping up to the plate so to speak. As you’re reading this, perhaps you could watch the scene over again. Watch. Emily’s head emerges, Paige’s hand comes down. She HOLDS her underwater the first time for 3.94 seconds—I know this exactly because I’m a pretentious asshole who felt the need to time it. Paige LETS (by deliberately lifting her hand) Emily come back up for air before coming down a second time, and HOLDING her underwater for 3.26 seconds. Then Paige LETS GO of her.
Let us revisit our dictionaries. The verb form of “to drown” is used very whimsically in any post regarding this topic. Might I persuade the Pailyhaterz to be careful with your word choices? “To drown,” as a verb used with an object is translated as “to KILL by submerging underwater or other liquid.” Oh yes, Paige SUBMERGED Emily’s head underwater for a grand total of 7.20 seconds (of course the submersion is split into two parts—kind of like a two-act play!! Anyone ever seen ‘This Is Your Captain Speaking?’ Anybody? No? Ok. I tried.)
Furthermore, I want to make a real argument by actually testing out the theories by calculating a p-value. I’m going to make a hypothesis for the Pailyhaterz—Paige tried to kill Emily (which is what you’re saying by using the word ‘drown’—remember your dictionaries!) Now, let us go with the null hypothesis—Paige wasn’t trying to kill Emily (to clarify, this doesn’t mean she wasn’t doing something else—intimidating, threatening, etc.) Simple enough, right? Now sit back, relax, and let Deedz crunch out these numbers for you.
Next, let us accept how long an average human can hold his/her breath underwater. I will be extremely generous to the Emison cause and give only 1.15 minutes despite Emily being a trained swimmer (the average untrained human could probably do 1.30 minutes.)
Let’s examine the confidence interval of the combined time that Paige held Emily’s head underwater to the time an average person can hold his/her breath underwater BEFORE passing out/drowning. 7.2 sec/75 sec = 0.096. Our p-value is 0.096. So what the hell does that mean?
Back to the confidence interval: in order for the Emison argument (i.e. *caplocks* “HOW PAIGE DROWNED EMILY”) to be considered statistically significant, the confidence interval is set to p = 0.05 or 95% confidence (the value to be used for academic study). For those of your math illiterates, here’s how it works: p>0.05 means not statistically significant while p = or <0.05 means statistically significant.
Compare p=0.096 to 0.050 … 0.050 < 0.096 … therefore, the null hypothesis cannot be disproved—Paige was NOT trying to drown Emily. I just want to comment on your closing remarks “For real though, attempting to murder someone is just not okay.” Lo behold! I agree, just say no to murder, ya’ll! Plenty of peeps on PLL have been targets/victims of murder, but I can state with confidence (pun intended!) that there is NO statistical significance between attempted murder and Paige McCullers holding Emily Fields underwater for 3.94 and 3.26 seconds respectively.
In conclusion, I was generous about the value of time an average person can hold his/her breath underwater. I was generous about adding the total sum of time Paige held Emily’s head underwater (to make YOUR argument better). Despite my numerical threshold bending and willingness to cooperate, the Pailyhating argument of “drowning” is NULL and VOID still. Paige would’ve needed to hold Emily’s head underwater for a time period over 85% longer than what was actually observed and measured (and this is not including the break!)
And for what it’s worth, Paige gave the best apology of ANY of the couples on PLL to date for what she did that day—she was immediate and sincere. I’m still tapping my goddamn foot for Caleb to truly apologize to Hannah and give her the explanation she deserves. I’m still pissed off at the pathetic, anti-apology that Toby gave Spencer. And don’t even get me started on Ezra—high school teacher/predator stalking the girls for years, takes a bullet so now he’s a hero? Finally, there’s Ali—took two years to apologize to Emily, but only apologized due to her preconscious realization that Paige is still a threat to her relationship with Emily. I REST MY CASE.
Holy shit. I’m going to cut myself off now, but let me just close by saying, you don’t have to like Paige, you don’t have to like Paily. But I never want to hear ”Paige tried to kill Emily” as a valid reason for hating/disliking Paige ever again. I just mathematically proved that the statement is null. If you prefer Alison, FINE. No one said you must have a reason for disliking Paige or for liking Alison. You like what you like—end of story. But just so the pailyhaterz are aware, if you’re going to pitch your two cents on a subject for why not to like it, make sure your reasoning is sound. That’s all I ask.
So please, the next time anyone is confused or feeling salty about the pool scene in 1x16, refer to the nice analytical work I presented above. Stop trying to justify your preferences. And lastly, understand that in Rosewood, NO ONE is innocent or truly a victim.
Emily Fields: Stabbed a guy, got glass in her hair, almost run over by a car, chased a potential psycho killer into the woods at night, stuffed in a box to be cut in half, almost set on fire and blown up, drugged thrice
Brendan Robinson, aka the embattled Lucas Gottesman on a show called Pretty Little Liars, is on his way up in the world.
He goes on to refer to a scene that didn’t make it into the final cut of episode 4, in which Paige comes to Lucas concerned about Mona’s army. She tells him “‘we have to stop this, you’re still in love with Hanna, I’m still in love with Emily,’” Brendan remembers.
After reading the afterellen 5x07 recap online, I understand a little bit better where paily shippers are coming from. But, the one thing I still can’t get over is HOW PAIGE DROWNED EMILY. Like for real, she just attempted to murder the person she loved. How is everything she does now all of suddenly justified just because she was present during a shit storm? I’m sorry, but why is everyone ignoring this?
What Alison did to Emily wasn’t justified either, she was a bully and a tyrant. But she was 15 you guys, she’s not supposed to be this super perfect character were supposed to be rooting for. She takes out her insecurities out on other people, and there was a reason for the way she treated Emily. To me personally, it seemed that Ali didn’t want to give Emily any power over her; because maybe she loved Emily back, so in order to regain control she had to put Em back in her place by rejecting her. As the audience currently, we’re still unsure what direction Alison’s character is going in.
For real though, attempting to murder someone is just not okay. And justifying it by saying she did it out of love is all kinds of fucked up, and displays a serious mental issue on Paige’s half.
Any paily shipper care to explain this to me? Step up to the plate now.
Before you go saying “But that doesn’t make it OK”, absolutely, no it doesn’t. But I will point out that a lot of people base their criticism of Paige on the specific claim that she actually tried to kill Emily, so that fact that this is simply not true should make a difference. Sadly, it rarely does.
I’ll stress here, no Paily shipper says what she did was justified, or excusable, or anything like that. I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea we believe that. We might discuss why she did it, but that’s because we’re interested in Paige as a character, not to let her off the hook. And on the subject of why, it wasn’t “out of love”, it was because Paige was a mess at the time. It’s worth bearing in mind that a lot of that came from the fact that Paige was bullied by Alison to the point of self-harm and considering suicide.
No one ignores it, either. We couldn’t even if we wanted to, but it’s actually discussed at length among Paily shippers. The fact that we don’t write her off doesn’t mean we’re ignoring or forgetting her past. In fact the extent to which she was a mess when we first met her is part of what makes her so interesting as a character.
Which brings me to why people are able to get past that incident and be OK with Paily. First of all, Paige apologised at the time (unlike, for example, Ezra) absolutely and unreservedly. She didn’t try to make excuses for her bad behaviour (unlike, for example, Toby) or expect to be forgiven (unlike, for example, Alison).
More importantly, she never did it again. If the behaviour had carried on into the relationship then that would have been very different. One of the reasons I’m personally more comfortable with Paily than Emison is that Paige’s mistreatment of Emily happened and was resolved before there was any hint of a relationship.
While season 1 Paily was a bit of a mess and didn’t go anywhere, after that Paige went away and got herself together. Since Emily and Paige got back together in season 3, Paige has been a very different person, and there has not been any of the same issues with Paige’s behaviour. She’s not perfect, but she is not the same person as she was in 1x15.
No one is saying what Paige did was excusable. The question is whether it was forgivable, which is quite a different proposition. Emily forgave Paige. That doesn’t make what Paige did OK, but it did mean they could move on past that. To be blunt, a lot of the fans haven’t moved past that, and insist on judging Paige as if she was exactly the same person as when we first met her. She’s not. And if you’re an Emison shipper, you’re in the same position as us - if Alison is the same person as in the flashbacks, there is no way Emison could work. In the immprtal words of Hanna Marin, “People change, OK? They grow.”
As a final comment, thank you for asking. Ship who you want to ship, obviously, but it’s good to see people at least interested in where other fans are coming from.
Summary: Emily(22) moves to Rosewood to attend Hollis, after being overseas for the last four years. Suffering from PTSD, Emily is trying to go back to a normal life and finds a job with new friends and a very attractive boss. Will Emily mix business with pleasure? Can Paige help Emily get over her condition? Paily AU
Many people say that the Lindshay pictures where forced to be taken and that the E/A seems more natural. Do you agree with this because I sure HELL DONT I mean if you place both Lindshay recent pictures and put them next to the Sasha and Shay you can obviously tell that Shay looks more happy n relax when she is next to Lindsey. Do you agree with that. To be quite honest I would love to know your analysis of these pictures of how you seem them and which seems more natural to you.
Yes, the Lindshay picture taken by Shay herself is def more forced and staged than the one taken by some social media PR person. Totes. I mean like first of all, let’s compare
Right…. Lindshay seems so forced. anyways, if you look through Shay’s instagram, you see that most of her smiles are that top teeth, side smile that she has in the picture with Sasha. Like that’s the standard multipurpose smile that usually accompanies pictures she’s posing for (still flawless tho bc god bless shay mitchell)
Then the Lindshay picture is wide. open mouth, mid laugh grin that feels more in the moment like
and oh yeah this one
i mean hello this pic is a SURPRISE PHOTO without shay even noticing it and that’s her literal mid laugh. which lbr is probably her default mood around the shaw. Like guys, Lindshay have basically said they’re each others’ kumbaya peace and love soulmates. I’m sure Shay loves all the girls but there’s no denying that she ADORES Lindsey Shaw. She practically shouts it from mountain tops (and by mountain tops I mean all the interviews she can give). And Lindsey says she basically cries at the beauty of Shay Mitchell’s face so who doesn’t love someone like that????
i don't know what's funnier: alison fans that defend she's a good person/not a bully and then call paige by the name she was bullied or those who write "aLLison" and "sasha PITERSE".
I find it really funny, that they don’t know how to spell correctly their favorite’s name. The other day I was on the Shay Mitchell tag, and there were an emison pic-set. The caption was ‘god they’re my favs 5x05’. It was tagged with Alison Dilaurentis, Emilie, Emilie Fields, Shay Mitchell, and Sarah Pieterse. Also the pics they used was from 5x06. LMAO